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ok, ShalamOM, blessings on your further journey
shalamOM - 2007-05-30 2:36 PM zoebird - 2007-05-30 3:29 PMshalamOm:it's really sad what one misses because of misconceptions.. As I wrote in previous posts, I have had stripper friends and acquaintances and some have been good dancers, but it is still funny to think of a stripper grandma. My stripper friends probably would be laughing too. Have a sense of humor. Being a 'good' yogi doesn't mean not having a sense of humor. Anyhow, I'm outahere. It was fun posting with all of you. NAMASTE!!  |
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| Sorry for jumping in a converstaion.. Also as to b/c this has nothing to do with narcissistic(that is one long word) yoga instructors as i haven't met one... But i'm amazed that between yoga communities across the North America there are famed teachers! Just amazed at simple observations. Good day!  |
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| first, i never said that this happens by accident or that people are dressing this way or that "subconsciously." but rather, that dress invokes strong things in our subconscious--whether we are conscious of that or not. and, i believe that most people are not aware of the fact that dress invokes strong subconscious arisings.
i did not say that women are 'accidently' dressing this way or even 'unconsciously' dressing this way'--but rather that in dressing this way, they are largely doing so out of ignorance of what these styles invoke at the subconscious level. they do like the attention, and understand what it evokes consciously (at the conscious/social levels), but i do not think they fully understand the attention and it's origins--as well as the full extent of the conscious and subconscious reactions that it brings. i particularly think this is true of young children (8 through teens).
i find it hard to believe that people are truly that aware or knowledgable about the archetypal and iconic aspects of dress, the power that they're channelling and invoking, and what that invokes in others. most people have a much more shallow approach to dress--even if it is more modest. And, i include myself in this. I dress modestly, but i am only now beginning to understand the connection between dress, icon, and archetype.
therefore, i'm willing to cut people a little slack for their ignorance. ignorance isn't about things being 'accidents.' it is about people having limited knowledge/experience about what they're doing and therefore, allowing them the space to explore that and come to understanding.
another aspect of this is also looking at the social and psycholocial needs of an individual. i can't claim to know the mind, but if one is seeking so much attention, there is likely a reason--usually some void or injury in their person--for seeking it. For me, this is something that demands even more openness and compassion, rather than blaming and shaming.
and to be more precise, i've never asserted my opinion as fact. i simply set up an rhetorical strategy to move into my point. People do not know the power of dress--in my opinion. i don't have to say "IMO" in order for me to recognize that it is "IMO" or for anyone else to do so for that matter.
I also think that you have a horrible experience of men if you really believe that most men feel or think the way that you describe i your final paragraph. i find that just as tragic as you thinking it's appropriate to call people names. |
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| also, like OM, my self esteem isn't fragile. perhaps yours is--so feel free to speak for yourself. really, i'm not bothered by any of this--that this woman is doing her thing, adding yoga to her life, and offering it to others. it really doesn't bother me at all. it certainly doesn't upset my self esteem.
if it upsets yours, then perhaps you need to look at that. which brings us right back to yoga and taking a good look at maya. |
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| zoebird - 2007-05-31 9:10 AM
also, like OM, my self esteem isn't fragile. .
Well, mine is. When I saw Brother Neel effortlessly move into handstand, how do you think it made me feel? 
When I hear Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins or John Nash talk about mathematics or science, I feel like an idiot by comparison. (ok, so I am an idiot...never mind that)
When I see Dahrma Mittra do those 608 poses in his book (outstanding book, by the way) in his little swimsuit...I feel so inferior.
So I think that anyone that is either handsome, athletic, or accomplished at anything owes me a big apology!!!
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| Many women have NO idea of what message their clothing is sending to the public (not talking about "the" website gal here - general public) and it can take some really hard work to get some to see it. There are a few classic episodes of What Not to Wear that show this very clearly. They had no idea...
I have been watching adult women with their adult daughters over the years and it is fascinating to me how similarly they often dress and do their hair and makeup. Of course, most would cringe (especially teens!) if that was pointed out, but it is true. Though my own daughter is 5' 11" and I am 5'2" and she has long, hair, I have short hair etc., if you just look at things such as the level of modesty, the approach to pattern and cut, quantity of makeup etc., you can see we almost match. The point here is that most little girls grow up thinking their mommies are "pretty" and to be pretty, she copies mom. So although mom may have big 60's hair and her DD has big punk hair, the general effect is the same. Not too germane to this thread maybe, but an observation... |
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LOL! those jerks, how dare they interfere with your maya! |
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| tourist:
what not to wear is very interesting.  i don't really watch the show (only occassionally with friends), but it is very informative.
while in NZ, i learned that i'm giving off an image completely different than what i wanted to give off. one of my regular clients there is an image consultant, and she told me what my image was sending out to many people, and from there she talked to me about what i like, what i want to send out, and how to begin to create that.
that's when i happened upon the idea of icons and archetypes. we were looking at old photos of movie stars from the 40s, 50s, and 60s--marilyn, james dean, etc--and ryan said "these are so iconic. it would be great to look that iconic all the time.' our image consulting friend definately extended that for us, and on contemplation i began to ask myself "what is an icon; what makes an icon?" i realized that icons are representations of the divine (it essence) and that the divine is often 'subdivided' into archetypes.
and it's from this point that i'm starting the exploration of my 'image' and 'dress' as it relates to me creating myself into an icon of a specific archetype in order to 'channel' or 'project' that meaning (conscious and subconscious) to others.
talk about the power of dress. it's not just "what not to wear because it's not flattering, or not modest, or whatever" it's "what to wear to tell others who you are, based on the architypes with which you align."
recently, i've been working a lot with Hecate, Hel, Kali, Baba Yaga--all of these are wild women in various ways, extermely potent and a lot about breaking down illusions. this explains a lot of the more 'wild choices' i've been channelling in my outward appearances. i am creating myself into an icon of these archetypes. it's fascinating.
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| ZB, bingo! That's it. It's about image and appearance not for vanity sake but for the message we give off to others.
"What Not to Wear" is a really good example, Tourist. This whole thread was practically a "What Not to Wear" episode. Almost 100% of the subjects in "What Not to Wear" are so offended by the observations of Stacey and Clinton (is that his name?). As always, there is light at the end of the tunnel with a make over (or a make under) and everyone leaves happy. |
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| yeah, his name is clinton. i like him better than stacy--but even so, they seem like decent folks. the original male stylist they had looked like a homeless guy. no, seriously. he was obviously choosing a style--but he had long tangled-looking (uncombed looking) hair, wore what looked like torn shirts, and dirty jeans with workman's boots. now, i know he was a professional stylist who worked with many famous folks--but my goodness. after a few episodes with him, they found clinton and the show took off. i think that many people didn't find "dirty guy" to be that impressive or demonstrating that he had the ethos to say "what not to wear." |
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| i'm sorry, but this thread was not handled in the same way as that show
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*Fifi* - 2007-05-31 11:13 AMZB, bingo! That's it. It's about image and appearance not for vanity sake but for the message we give off to others. "What Not to Wear" is a really good example, Tourist. This whole thread was practically a "What Not to Wear" episode. Almost 100% of the subjects in "What Not to Wear" are so offended by the observations of Stacey and Clinton (is that his name?). As always, there is light at the end of the tunnel with a make over (or a make under) and everyone leaves happy. |
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Location: New York | This thread is CRAZY. Maybe it's me, but I am really disturbed at the level of anger and vitriol coming from YoGanesha's posts. Anger is only one letter from danger, baby: let it go . . . |
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| true enough hehet.
and yes, i agree JackieCat. i think most of us were responding t the language of that. |
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| the other guy was also very b*tchy  I know it is a fashion, reality TV show, but some of the individuals they have worked with have had huge, and I mean really HUGE life-changing experiences. The goth chick who thinks she is warm and friendly looking, the guy who thinks he looks casual and approachable but actually looks scary and dirty. And a lot of women who think they are dressing "fun and flirty" but are waaaay over the line, including a couple with clear heels (suburban moms at PTA functions!) that actually had flashing lights in them, as I recall.  They really, really just didn't have a clue... It is a service to humanity. |
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